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PostSubject: Potres na Haitiju   13/1/2010, 13:16

"Potres magnitude 7 stupnjeva po Richteru imao je epicentar oko 15 km zapadno od Port-au-Princea na dubini od 8 km, objavio je Geološki institut SAD-a. Njegov geofizičar Kristin Marano nazvao ga je najjačim potresom od 1770. godine na području koje je danas Haiti. Na traženje da komentira izvještaje o rušenju bolnice u Port-au-Princeu, veleposlanik je kazao da je dobio takve izvještaje od djelatnika humanitarne udruge World Vision, koji mu je rekao da se svugdje u gradu čuje zapomaganje i plač, te da za sada nitko ne može prebrojati mrtve..."

Opet jedan ružni potres Sad . Možda bude potrebe i za psima. Ana, Mirela, javite ako budete znale da li IRO šalje pomoć, da li idete i sl.
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   13/1/2010, 16:19

Naravno Saro.

Evo, maloprije sam poslala na sve spasioce ovo što smo dobili iz IRO-a.

Stavljam i njemački i engleski text:

Sehr geehrte NRO Verantwortliche!
Ein starkes Erdbeben mit der Stärke 7.0 (USGS) auf der Richter Skala erschütterte Haiti am 12. Jänner um 16:53 Lokalzeit (GMT 21.53). Das Erdbeben passierte 17 km südwest von Port-au-Prince, der Hauptstadt von Haiti (18.45N, 72.45W).
Die IRO hatte die Möglichkeit mit dem britischen Team UK ISAR in den Einsatz zu fliegen, allerdings bricht das UK ISAR Team zu früh auf. Aufgrund der räumlichen Distanz, der Dauer der Reise und vor allem der Nähe der USA, die bereits massive Hilfestellung bereitstellen, hat das Einsatzreferat der IRO entschieden, nicht in den Einsatz zu fliegen.


Dear NRO representative!
A powerful earthquake of 7.0 magnitude (USGS) on the Richter Scale affected Haiti on 12 January, at 16.53hrs local time (GMT 21.53hrs). The earthquake happened 17km south-west of Port-au-Prince, the capital of Haiti (18.45N, 72.45W).
The IRO had the possibility to deploy with the British team UK ISAR, however the UK ISAR Team departs to early. Because of the large distance, the time of travel and most of all the close distance of the USA, which already provides massive aid, the IRO department of deployment has decided that the IRO will not deploy to Haiti.

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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   13/1/2010, 23:59

Gledam sada na TV-u, to je prestrašno tamo...jadni ljudi...mislim da je IRO ipak trebao bez obzira na udaljenost i pomoć iz USA slati svoju ekipu. Priča se o 100 000 ljudi...pod ruševinama...mislim da bi im svaki čovjek/pas dobro došao...znam da nije to samo tako izvedivo, ali ni Sumatra nije bila preko puta pa su išli...

Ovo tamo je zbilja prestrašno...strašna realnost što sve priroda može učiniti..a svi ju uzimaju zdravo za gotovo...
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   14/1/2010, 10:54

Na temelju par izvještaja sa Sumatre mogu zaključiti da je veliki minus IRO misiji bio kasni dolazak u akciju spašavanja. Na kraju je ispalo da skoro pa nisu uopće pustili pse u traženje.
Mene je danas u vijestima šokirala izjava da ljudi leže ranjeni po cestama, a da nemaju načina kako da ih prevezu u bolnice No
Tamo prvo trebaju takve probleme riješiti a mislim da bi IROova misija slanja pomoći iz Europe na tako veliku udaljenost završila sa sličnim ishodom kao i ona na Sumatri ako ne i gore s obzirom na općenito lošu situaciju. Spasioce netko treba prevesti do mjesta koja se trebaju pretražiti i trebaju im se omogućiti neki minimalni životni i radni uvijeti. A s obzirom na činjenicu da se ne mogu pobrinuti ni o ranjenicima vjerujem da bi spascioci sa psima koji kasne 2 dana a traže samo žive osobe bili tamo samo teret a ne pomoć Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   14/1/2010, 16:18

Kada vidim takve vijesti, i slučajeve gdje države u nevolji moraju ovisiti o tuđoj pomoći, i to ne susjednih zemalja, već čak pomoći sa drugih kontinenata (kao što je slučaj sa SAR timovima), zapitam se da li itko od naših visokih dužnosnika sjeti se zapitati da li Hrvatska ima svoj SAR tim, a i oni koji znaju za naše postojanje da li uvide na važnosti našeg rada (i potpore koju trebamo s njihove strane), ili se i to uzima zdravo za gotovo.
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   14/1/2010, 18:26

Ovo su najnovije vijesti (njemački i engleski):

Sehr geehrte NRO,

Bezüglich des Erdbebens in Haiti sende ich Ihnen eine Mitteilung von Andreas Quint:
„Die Hilfe aus Europa konzentriert sich derzeit auf medizinische Hilfe und die Versorgung der Betroffenen. Es gibt extreme Probleme mit Flugverbindungen aus Europa sowie Landemöglichkeiten in Haiti oder der Dominikanischen Republik, die auch gestern der Grund dafür war, warum wir eine Hilfe mit Rettungshundeteams nicht weiter verfolgt hatten.

Es war für uns frühzeitig abzusehen, dass eine rechtzeitige Hilfe mit Rettungshundeteams aus dem europäischen Raum nicht sinnvoll war, was sich auch darin bestätigte, dass europäische USAR Teams mit Rettungshunden, die gestern sehr früh nach Haiti abgeflogen sind, bisher das Schadensgebiet noch nicht erreicht haben.

Das hat auch andere europäische USAR Teams, wie REDOG, AFDRU oder THW SEEBA veranlasst, ihre USAR Bemühungen einzustellen.

Einige Mitgliedsorganisationen der IRO versuchen jedoch selbst einen Einsatz zu organisieren. Angesichts der Schwierigkeiten und Berichten aus dem Schadensgebiet, dass bereits gelandete USAR Teams in Haiti oder der Dominikanischen Republik aufgrund von Transportproblemen nicht in das Schadensgebiet gelangen, ist aus unserer Sicht ein Einsatz mit Rettungshundeteams aus Europa nicht zu empfehlen.“


Concerning the earthquake in Haiti I’m sending you a statement from Andreas Quint:

“Help from Europe is meanwhile concentrating on medical care and to supply the victims. There are big problems with flight connections from Europe and with landing possibilities in Haiti or the Dominican Republic, which was a reason why we didn’t deploy with rescue dog teams yesterday.

For us it was early foreseeable that help in time through rescue dog teams from Europe was not reasonable. This is confirmed through USAR teams which had deployed to Haiti very early yesterday and still not have arrived in the disaster area.

This provoked other European USAR teams, like REDOG, AFDRU and THW SEEBA, to stop their USAR efforts.

Some IRO member organisations try to organise their own deployment. In the face of the troubles and reports from USAR teams in Haiti and the Dominican Republic, which are not able to get into the disaster area due to problems of transportation, we do not recommend to deploy with rescue dog teams from Europe.”

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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   14/1/2010, 19:16

Potpuno je besmisleno slati timove za koje se neko mora tamo brinuti ako nemaju niti organizirane sanitetne jedinice. Strasno je to sto se dogodilo o toliko siromasnoj zemlji gdje ljudi ionako jedva spajaju kraj s krajem Sad Nazalost, u ovakvim okolnostima spasilacki psi nisu od nikakve koristi (bar oni koji traze zive). Zapravo je tuzno da pomoc iz Europe rijetko moze stici do tih potresima osjetljivih zemalja jer ce problem uvijek biti isti - previse vremena se potrosi na put, a odluka o pomoci se koliko sam skuzila donosi tek par dana poslije. Zar ne postoji nekakav azijski IRO?

A sto se nasih tice, naravno da se niko ne pita imamo li takav tim. Vjerovatno smatraju da smo im nepotrebni jer ovo podrucje nije podlozno potresima. Ne bi me to uopce cudilo...
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   15/1/2010, 00:24

elena wrote:
A sto se nasih tice, naravno da se niko ne pita imamo li takav tim. Vjerovatno smatraju da smo im nepotrebni jer ovo podrucje nije podlozno potresima. Ne bi me to uopce cudilo...

ali mi jesmo na području podložnom potresima (pogotovo zagreb i dubrovnik) i baš je žalosno da se kod nas uvijek mora dogoditi neka katastrofa da se stvari promijene...
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   15/1/2010, 00:51

ma tesko da ce nas zadesit potres ovakvih razmjera.ali da,generalno je takvo stanje svijesti.sve se uzima zdravo za gotovo dok zivoti ne dodju u pitanje...
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   16/1/2010, 01:08

izbrisano - bio je dupli post


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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   16/1/2010, 22:26

Mirela, ovo je opet isti tekst tj.mail.
Btw.mi jesmo na području kojem se bez problema može dogoditi ovakav potres samo što bi posljedice bile daleko blaže zbog bolje infrastrukture, ali bez daljnjeg bi bio s teškim posljedicama. Ali nitko ne misli o tome dok se ne dogodi...
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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   16/1/2010, 22:34

petra wrote:
Mirela, ovo je opet isti tekst tj.mail.
Btw.mi jesmo na području kojem se bez problema može dogoditi ovakav potres samo što bi posljedice bile daleko blaže zbog bolje infrastrukture, ali bez daljnjeg bi bio s teškim posljedicama. Ali nitko ne misli o tome dok se ne dogodi...

Nisam vidjela, automatski sam ga stavila kako je došđao iz IRO-a Embarassed

Hvala Petra Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   17/1/2010, 22:50

Stavljam ovdje Katjin post sa slovenskog foruma:

Kopirano iz Virtual OSOCC:

"Update on USAR teams and staff present, 16.1.10, 3pm:
43 USAR Teams from 23 countries with 1739 experts and 161 sniffer dogs"
"UK-ISAR team have rescued a 40year female from a building close to the supermarket in Sector 15, Deprez.
She was dehydrated and had pressure sores with no other injuries."
"On Jan 15 Russian USAR Team extracted 2 alive people from the rubble at the work site with coordinates N 180 34.622 W 072017.352. USAR Team is ready for new assignments."

Trenutno se na Haitiju nahaja 43 USAR ekip iz 23 držav, 1739 reševalcev in 161 psov.
Ekipa UK-ISAR je danes našla 40 letno skoraj nepoškodovano žensko... upanje ostaja
Ekipa USAR Team Russian je včeraj našla 2 živa ponesrečenca.

Tudi v prejšnjih dneh so ekipe našle žive ponesrečence.

Skupno poročilo pa je:
"PLEASE NOTE, THERE ARE NO MORE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL USAR TEAMS OR FIELD HOSPITALS. HOWEVER TEAMS THAT HAVE ALREADY LEFT THEIR HOME BASE MAY CONTINUE TO PORT AU PRINCE.

*From this afternoon or tomorrow on, all USAR team that wants to help Haiti, must apply for landing permission before leaving their country.

- USAR RDC established at the Port-au-Prince airport, Haiti and at Santo Domingo airport, Dominican Republic
- OSOCC established at MINUSTAH Logs Base close to airport
- Operational coordination/tasking of USAR teams at the USAR-BoO next to airport

- USAR TL meeting at 19:00 local time. ALL TEAMS ARE REQUESTED TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS.
- New assignments for USAR teams at 06:00 am local time at Operations Center in USAR BoO area.
- Most affected part of PAP has been divided into sectors and teams on the ground area assigned to these areas

- No USAR operations during night, except if a team knows of confirmed live victim. In this case, teams are requested to contact the operations component of OSOCC at the USAR BoO area for security support.

Transportation of USAR teams to sites are still a major concern.

****As of 16 January 14:00 pm local time: there are 43 international USAR teams on the ground (1,739 rescue workers, 161 canine dogs).

As of 15 January evening local time, a total of 58 live casualties extracted.**** "

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PostSubject: Re: Potres na Haitiju   20/1/2010, 14:11

Koliko sam pohvatala, u pomoć sa psima su došli iz Amerike, Rusije, Francuske, Perua, Tajvana, Meksika, Kine i Velike Britanije. Spominje se pomoć još 12 zemalja, ali nije navedeno da li sa sobom imaju spasilačke pse.
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